From: Yuri Kuchinsky
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,alt.mythology,soc.culture.pacific-island,alt.culture.hawaii Subject: original homeland of Polynesians? Date: 2 Mar 2000 18:27:33 GMT Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Greetings, friends, Was the original homeland of Polynesians really in the American Pacific North-West? Did Polynesians really originate... in Canada? Actually, this is what the Polynesian traditions, themselves, seem to say. ____________________ KAHIKI-KU: the Polynesian homeland This is where the Polynesians themselves say they come from. Abraham Fornander, a noted historian of Polynesia, describes this Polynesian homeland Kahiki-ku as "that ancient, well-remembered, and often quoted home of the Polynesians". According to Fornander (1878, Vol I, 22ff), the actual discovery of Hawaii is ascribed to Kane, a mythical wandering chief, who "came from a vast island or mainland", alluded to as the "lost home of Kane". About this lost homeland, Fornander says, that "In the Hawaiian tradition its situation was vaguely indicated to be in a north-westerly direction". Taken literally, to north-west of Hawaii are Aleutian Islands, which is close enough to the American Pacific North-West. But professional Polynesianists would like to see this homeland in the opposite direction in central Polynesia! But there's also another way to read this direction "to the north-west of Hawaii". Because of the predominant direction of ocean currents around Hawaii (they mostly flow west in the area), the _sailing direction_ from Hawaii to the American Pacific North-West will need to be exactly to the north-west! This is so because the big current towards the NW Coast flows in the northern Pacific, and in order to catch it, the mariner will first need to sail from Hawaii in the north-westerly direction. In addition, Fornander describes this Polynesian homeland Kahiki-ku as "a subdivision of a large continent", which would agree very well with this having been America. And now let's look at some more evidence to the same effect. - Percy Smith, W. W. Gill (1876:17), and Steinen (1933:19) consider Kahiki (also known as Tawhiti, Tefiti, or Tahiti) as associated with the Polynesian hiti = east. Large continent to the east from Polynesia is America. - Also, many scholars of mythology are aware that in traditional religions older deities are often reduced in status and made into malevolent spirits or underworld deities. J. M. Brown (PEOPLES AND PROBLEMS OF THE PACIFIC, London, 1927: 113, 153) writes, "Most of these Polynesian gods and demigods of the underworld have indications in their careers of having come from a land of bitter winter." Which would indicate the American Pacific North-West, and certainly not tropical Pacific islands west of Polynesia. Now, the following is based on the Hawaiian traditions. - Emerson (1909:37) records a sacred Hawaiian chant that mentions "the swell that rolls from Kahiki from Wakea's age enrolling [from the most ancient age]." A permanent ocean swell reaches Hawaii only from America. - Another traditional chant found in Emerson specifies the _exact location in Hawaii_ that receives the waves from Kahiki, "...like waves from Kahiki that beat on the front of Kilauea." Kilauea is the great volcano on the east coast of Hawaii facing America. Driftwood from NW Coast regularly arrives to Hawaii carried by the ocean waves. - Polynesian traditions record that their ancestors came to Polynesia carried by the winds and the waves. They do not record struggling against the elements to come to Polynesia. According to the Society Islanders, their ancestral deities left their original homeland, and arrived to the Society Islands carried by the wind, "There came a time when the gods mounted upon the wind and were wafted over the ocean...". "Upon the winds did the gods fly to Tahiti." (T. Henry, ANCIENT TAHITI, 1928:443,444) This can only mean from America. The worst legacy of mainstream Eurocentrist academic scholarship is that they trample on these sacred ancient traditions of the Polynesians. These are the oppressors of aboriginal peoples. They are robbing the Natives of their history. And they also habitually dismiss the talents and creativity of Native Americans. So these Eurocentrists "kill two birds with the same stone", so to speak... Best wishes, Yuri. This debate is not new in Usenet, so here is some background. Some of my previous posts, all attacked with great anger, as was to be expected, of course, Subject: art parallels between Polynesia and NW Coast Date: 01/14/1999 http://x33.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=432662444
____________________ Subject: cultural parallels between Polynesia and NW Coast Date: 01/19/1999 (as posted originally)
____________________ Subject: Hill-Tout's comparisons (Polynesia and NW Coast) Date: 01/24/1999 language comparisons
____________________ Subject: more from Hill-Tout Date: 02/14/1999 more linguistic comparisons between NWC and Polynesian languages
____________________ Subject: NW Coast disputes summary Date: 02/19/1999 http://x33.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=446163580
____________________ A general overview: Subject: NW Coast Date: 03/08/1999 some general info about these disputed issues.
____________________ Numerals: Subject: more from John Campbell: NW Coast Austronesians? Date: 02/17/1999 http://x36.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=445391885
Hunter Harpooning (11-32) And here's some additional information (added in April 2000). Still more Native Polynesian traditions seem to support American North-West Coast as the original homeland of Polynesians, - homeland of Polynesians - Part 2 (March 16, 2000), http://x22.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=598417099
____________________ Could such similarity in petroglyphs be accidental? And what about all those giant NW Coast logs? Hawaiians made their best canoes from them, - homeland of Polynesians - Petroglyphs and drift-wood (March 24, 2000), http://x22.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=601890248
____________________ The noted Menehune ditch . . . is the acme of stone-faced ditches... - homeland of Polynesians - Stonework (March 22, 2000), http://x22.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=600925818
Haida canoes. These are old archival images: "Prints contained in "The North American Indian" by Edward S. Curtis". For plenty more of them, see,
Tenaktak Canoes (10-15)
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