Subject: Re: antiquity of oghams (was: about Micmac script From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Yuri Kuchinsky) Date: 1997/07/07 Message-ID: <email@example.com> Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,alt.pagan,alt.mythology Douglas Weller (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote: : On 5 Jul 1997 13:22:41 GMT, in sci.archaeology, Yuri Kuchinsky wrote: : >Why do you so often have to display your cynicism in public? What makes : >you think I haven't read the White Goddess? : : Simply because you made no specific reference to it. Perhaps you can : help me, as I've only glanced through it. What does he actually say : about ogham? Doug, I can assure you that I read this book quite carefully -- many years ago. He is one of my favourite writers, and I actually have some links and files dedicated to him on my webpage. I consider him a great Gnostic thinker of our time. His arguments about oghams are extremely complex. For example he explains in detail about letters-tree names connections, and why certain trees were important in various seasons. Because tree names were also month names, according to him. Thus the ogham alphabet letters also were connected to the calendar and various seasonal celebrations. Many of his arguments are of course quite speculative and he usually doesn't explain things in detail or provide footnotes. But he makes sense to me overall. I'm aware of one scholarly book that looks at all this, and I will try to look it up for you if you wish. It's been years since I studied all this... Now, as far as the so called "battle of the trees" that provides the starting point of his scholarly investigation, this is really too complex to get into in detail. Basically he claims to solve two quite obscure puzzles in Celtic mythology connected with some bardic poems the verses of which he claims were "scrambled" to hide their true meaning from the outsiders. The ancient "battle of the trees" poem, CAD GODDEU, according to him, is a cryptic account of an important battle between two Celtic tribes that had somewhat different oghams and whose calendar observances were slightly different. The result of the battle was letter sequence and calendar reform. Confusing enough for you yet? But nobody said this stuff is easy to figure out... More generally, the greatest achievement of Graves in my opinion was that he was the first to point out the many connections between the biblical and Greek and other pagan mythologies. All this stuff is in his and Raphael Patai's HEBREW MYTHS. Patai, of course, is a great biblical scholar and a specialist in biblical anthropology and history. This is why I see Graves as a Gnostic thinker. His biblical interpretations and theories are very little known, unfortunately. Regards, Yuri. Yuri Kuchinsky | "Where there is the Tree of Knowledge, there -=- | is always Paradise: so say the most ancient in Toronto | and the most modern serpents." F. Nietzsche ----- my webpage is for now at: http://www.io.org/~yuku ----- _________________________________________________________________Click here to go one level up in the directory.