Subject: Re: ancient celtic coins in Europe From: email@example.com (Yuri Kuchinsky) Date: 1997/07/04 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.lang,alt.pagan,soc.culture.celtic MTM (email@example.com) wrote: : Yuri Kuchinsky wrote: : > : >As far as the antiquity of oghams, has anyone heard about Celtic coins : > : >minted in Europe around 2c. bce? These coins feature oghams. I can post : > : >more info about these coins. This is all we need to prove that oghams were : > : >much more ancient than is commonly believed. ... : Could it be that you gentlemen are thinking of the coins from a region : of Brittany, called "Armorica"? They date up to about 56 b.p., when J. : Caesar completed his conquest of the area. I have one before me at the : moment ... MTM, Thanks for your input, but I was thinking of quite different coins. The following information comes from the Epigraphic Society Occasional Publications (ESOP), vol. 14, 1985, p. 97. Here Barry Fell, the first to point out these ogham inscriptions, provides an illustration of one of these Celtic coins, from Gaul, with ogham script on them. Another mention -- of different but similar coins from Spain -- and an illustration is in his BRONZE AGE AMERICA, 1982, which should be a lot easier to find than ESOP. Four specimens of such "Gaulish-Celtic" coins are in the Muenzkabinett of the Historical Museum, Frankfurt am Main. These silver coins are dated by the Museum authorities to 2nd century bce, according to Fell. The one coin that Fell illustrates in the article is 17 mm in diameter, and weighs 2.9 g.. The name of the Celtic tribe that issued these coins was "the Elusates", and Fell tells us that their name is written in Ogham script on the reverse of the coin. Another ogham inscription is on the obverse. According to Fell, "ogham consaine" (a form of ogham script that does not include vowels) is being used. I don't claim to know for sure if Fell's reading is correct, but I can certainly say that the inscriptions look very much like ogham. Another similar coin portrayed in Fell's BRONZE AGE AMERICA, p. 257, is from Aquitania, in Spain. It is a silver drachma of the Celtic tribe known as the Sotiati, a community of Gauls inhabiting the area ca. the third and second centuries bce. It seems very striking to me that the coins from Spain and from Gaul look very similar. Of course they are of the same age. Besides the oghams, the coins feature circular designs, and some strange geometric shapes (that appear very much like tadpoles, or like comets with their tails). If anything, the coins look a lot like modern abstract paintings! Best regards, Yuri. Yuri Kuchinsky | "Where there is the Tree of Knowledge, there -=- | is always Paradise: so say the most ancient in Toronto | and the most modern serpents." F. Nietzsche ----- my webpage is for now at: http://www.io.org/~yuku ----- _________________________________________________________________Click here to go one level up in the directory.